
The Introduce Yourselves Thread
The best way to get a forum going is for everyone to introduce themselves. A forum is like a community pub, there's nothing like grabbing a seat at the bar, placing your order and saying hello to the bartender for the first time...and knowing this is a place to which you'll return.
I'm Brother Michael ONeil, I joined the Church in 2003 and currently toil in our Stop Shopping Order Of Digital Mysteries. I'm the one who pulls the trigger on the email blasts that land in your inboxes and Blackberries.
I love seitan and science fiction, communication and I'm a media junkie. Some Sunday nights you can hear me get my post-spiritual, ecstatic humanist groove-on via WBAI-FM's Equal Time For Freethought. I'm also a proud member of the NY State Green Party.
Thanks for stopping by and participating in our Church community. Now ya'll just introduce yourselves below and away we go...


How Buy Now, Pay Later Ruined My Life
Epiphany Day
Enough to know I saw the underside of the Beast, as have you. The place where "maintaining the status quo" is the ultimate paradigm.
Thank you for gifts of that movie and this website and providing a place where far reaching and justice minded people can come together.
Hallelujah. ElijahCory
localleujah!
Finally a message to get me excited.
I am with you all
I will pray for your mission
Where can I catch a performance of the choir?
How can I join the choir
shirley
Dear Shirley
-rev
Dear Shirley
-rev
Step away from the Big Box, step away, step away,by Sister Heidi
How ironic that same month I was teaching students about child labor around the word in the Read 180 program by Scholastic, and later found out that in Time for Kids (the magazine produced by Scholastic) they were shamelessly advertising for Disney. How can you be advertising for Disney and also be saying how awful child labor is when Disney treats their workers in China so bad? Isn't it all linked together? Shouldn't someone write Scholastic and address this issue? They do have access to all school children in the public schools so that would be a good place to start.
Halleujah! From Arizona, where the coyotes wail all night long!
I was just introduced to Rev. Billy and the Choir, on the Sundance Channel. Lying in my bed, I sat upright, clapping my hands in glee! Fantastic it was... you folks, a'marchin' and a'singin', down Main Street, Disneyland, U.S.A.! I had to open my laptop and send your website right out, to all my family and friends, who had all been agonizing over being broke this Christmas and unable to go out and buy stuff for everyone!
God bless Rev. Billy, the choir and the band... everyone. Ya'll keep singin'. 'Cause you know, if you do... if you keep tellin' folks somethin' long enough, they'll come to expect it. Like "Alice's Restaurant" on Thanksgiving... right? That's what it'll be... like the "Alices' Restaurant Anti-Massacree Movement". It'll go somethin' like this...
"...And the only reason I'm
singing you this song now is cause you may know somebody in a similar
situation, or you may be in a similar situation, and if your in a
situation like that there's only one thing you can do and that's walk into
the store, wherever you are ,just walk in say "Sorry, but I'm joinin' Reverend Billy and the Stop Shopping Gospel Church.". And walk out. You know, if
one person, just one person does it they may think he's really sick and
they won't take him seriously. And if two people, two people do it, in harmony,
they may think they're both faggots and they won't take either of them.
And three people do it, three, can you imagine, three people walking in
singin a bar of "Stop Shopping" and walking out. They may think it's an
organization. And can you, can you imagine fifty people a day,I said
fifty people a day walking in singin a bar of "Stop Shopping" and
walking out. Why, friends they may thinks it's a movement.
And that's what it is , the Reverend Billy's Stop Shopping Gospel Church Movement, and all you got to do to join is sing it the next time it come's around on the guitar...
With feeling. So we'll wait for it to come around on the guitar, here and
sing it when it does. Here it comes."
(With heartfelt thanx, much love & respect and humblest apologies to Arlo Guthrie.)
Ya'll keep singin'... and spreadin' that good word.
From Amanda
Greetings
I noticed this was a pre-shopocalypse picture (made in 2007 before the American economy collapsed under it's mountain of unreconcilable debt). Your 2007 tour turned out to be prophetic. I think people are starting to rethink their priorities a bit. They seem to be paying down debt and spending less... Halleluyeh!
God Bless You All,
Jon Bailey
Minneapolis, MN
Kudos!
The Mistery Shoppa in da House!
I would caution, however, the route, at least for purposes of consideration, of not going overboard in pursuit of such causes.
Appropriate enthusiasm in nature of principled stance should not be construed to mean that one may wing-nut themselves to The Outer Limits of acceptable behavior.
Reprobate reasoning must never master in the forum of civil life/discourse, much less should the court of public opinion be seen to degrade to the level of the lowest common denominator.
Thank you for your attention, Carry On...
hello
found the rev by luck, remember seeing him on tv some tikme ago very happy to have found the site
i am 62 a world class blues player if i do say so myself and do paralegal work for a living
i have a share book on care2.com as joabblues, a little more radical than the rev but similar flavor and a couple of little blues experiments on youtube under same name if y'all ever get to the sunny south or i get to travel i would love to sit in with the band and maybe do a version of burden down, i have been a minister of music and the band in true holiness churches i believe i could fit right in
I listened to all the songs today, very nice, as Cab Calloway told Nat king cole, enunciate, no sense in all those wonderful lyrics getting lost.
I feel better
So much better
since I laid my plastic down
I am very proud of y'all
joab
Blessed are the single, jobless moms for they cannot sin with $$
I am a single mother of three children - 3, 5, and 8. Like so much of our lives to date, I have been living the way I was raised and what has always made perfect sense to me. . .thrift, value, love, sustainability, DIY, humbleness, stewardship, intuitive politics. . .leading up to removal of my conscience in politics, and just recently, the work-machine that ends up making us into soylent green. Yes, I am un-employed. Have been for 6 weeks now. Through the grace of God we live damned well - don't ask how. No - do ask, I'd love to elaborate on my theory.
I never knew names existed for the philosophies and ideologies and practices I have lived by. And only a few time was I roused enough to make a pledge to tell all what I believed, in a vain effort to change - all young fights for huge causes - Peace and absolute dumbfounded outrage of the ignorance surrounding major political events. Change begins with ourselves, and three kids to raise amidst all this savage, soul-sucking Succubus called the economy is enough of His Holy work for me - until I saw Rev Billy. Actually, I lied, forgive me, until I saw "The Story of Stuff" which says all the right stuff, but not loud and gaudy enough to completely rouse me again to the proud stance of activist as the Rev Billy and his Family - their Love and Mission sets my soul on fire! Local-lujah! Praise Be!
I, with my children, are engaging on a journey towards finding a home for next to nothing. I said a home, not a house. We, too, are on a Mission to be protected from the demons that wail for us in the giant billboards pimpling the country-side. We live rural Tennessee and I only wish that there was more ignorance to the 'rest of the world' as is perceived. My son speaks about something he saw on tv. We don't have tv, but I learned they watch tv in kindergarten! At the basic, most fundamental platforms of education they are teaching them to be consumers. Being poor, I notice this with heightened sensitivities - almost every day the teacher or the school asks for money - field trips, book sales, ice cream (with the stuff inside those ice creams being poison enough with the onslaught of advertisements have my children doubt what I teach them), candy for every holiday you could name, gifts for parties, charities, donations to the school - which is planted in a very impoverished county - which brings to the forefront also, my poor neighbors pressured to literally buy into all this junk because if not they would not be supporting their local school. And I have yet to see a difference in the level of quality at the school.
Quality comes from the heart, not from money. And that, is how my three children and I live so damned well when we're so poor.
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How Quickly Can I Rethink & React?
I bought into most of the beliefs of the Stop Shopping Church/The Church of Life After Shopping years ago. But I suppose like most of us, I struggle to live out those beliefs to the extent to which I'd like. The desire to teach my kids human and spiritual values over the values of consumerism provides my greatest struggles over it. This responsiblity toward my kids, seen in the face of the difficulties of fullfilling it, make me sad and overwhelmed sometimes.
But in spite of that, the movie helped me. It gave me insight, reminders, ideas and motivation! I'm prompted to re-think some of the decisions I still have to make about Christmas gifts and celebrations this year. I have a combination of good ideas and challenging questions. But not much time to figure out how I'll act on them! I think it might be fun though! How many days until Christmas?
If nothing else, whatever I do now is a step in a good direction. How may days do I have to re-think and revise until Christmas 2010? We're coming both to a New Year and to Epiphany, right?
Closet Ghosts of Christmas Past
My eldest daughter crossed to adulthood, by birthday and life-way a grown-up. My middle girl decamped for Portugal, an exchange-student refugee, fleeing a senior year spent at a suburban high school. My son is a teen-ager, gone from debatably taller to someone I clearly look up to. Both his eyeballs and his heart are on a new level.
Yet, I cling to the stuff of their babyhood. I still have toddler tub toys in my upstairs bathroom. The family room cabinet is crammed with VCR tapes, Disney Movies, Little Rascals. The Brio train sets, the Playmobile figures, the Lincoln Logs clod the cupboard beneath the stair. The boxes entomb answers to the relentless question of Christmases gone bye and buy, the pleading demands of aunts and grandparents, “I need gift ideas for your kids.”
How pure I wanted to be when my children were young. How diligently I tried to enforce a buying ethic, no Barbie, no logos, limit the Disney. But, you can’t beat back the demon monoculture without a sense of humor. My daughters’ favorite nightgown was long and pink and had the Little Mermaid on it. So much of my sleepy little girls is tucked away in that fabric, I have to love it.
By the mid 1990s I lost the Barbie war. Barbie’s measurements didn’t match-up to my ideas of feminine realism, but I gave her grandma the go ahead to get my daughter a newly apportioned more realistic fashion doll, “Free to Be Me.” Later, when I could no longer hold back the flood of Mattel, the “Free to Be Me” doll kept a special place in the play hierarchy as “The Fat Barbie.”
To wax fanatic, is to find your self a foolish hypocrite. I am a sinner and weak. I admit that sometimes, as the shopping days dwindled to Christmas, I’d spend a bundle in the last few hours, afraid my children wouldn’t feel loved unless they got more stuff.
Reverend Billy tells the story of descending the stairs on Christmas morning, the living-room floor lovingly layered with his mother’s judicious selections, how theatrical, how magical. He told this story at Macalester College last Sunday during the Twin Cities leg of the "Blessed are the Broke, Blessed are the Jobless" crusade. Forgiveness fell on my shoulders like the first flakes of winter. I felt all the stuff, once so firmly anchored in boxes and shelves lift just a bit. The goods held down by 'might have been', and 'once were' found buoyancy.
Somehow my children survived the onslaught of consumerism. They keep emerging from the effluence of their affluent upbringing. “Mom,” said my oldest daughter, “you made Christmas special and it wasn’t just the gifts.” God love them. And God grant me the strength to clear out those closets, the forgiveness for filling them in the first place and God bless Reverend Billy for coming to the Twin Cities.
Allow me to introduce myself
I'm Sister Barbikat or Barbara R. Lee if you need to ask the police what lock up did they put me this time. Only kidding....sort of.
I sing soprano in the choir. I am the only off key singer in the choir but I get away with it because of my charm, my enthusiasm and my talent for massaging feet.
Reverend Billy has not completely brought me over to the light but bless his heart, he still hasn't given up on me.
I love the choir, I love political activism. I used to squat in the Lower East Side. I loved working in the building I lived in and being surrounded by like minded people who cared about each other and our living space. I learned alot about dumpster diving, recycling things to use that others throw away. I learned to try to heal myself first through herbs, rest and good food before going to the doctor.
My mother taught me to love myself as a black woman and she saw to it that I didnt feel inferior to anyone. I think she did too good a job because I have no respect for anyone that represents authority unless I know they are compassionate with their rank and not bossy creeps that abuse their power.
From celebrating the release of Dhoruba Bin Wahad to meeting one of the survivors of the Move bombings, Ramona Africa, I am blessed with not just knowing black history from the past but knowing my black family in the present.
It's a rainbow, my rainbow of love, it reaches all over the world. The many people that I know that do political activism, sing, write stories, draw, paint,
CREATE.
Being in the choir and learning and loving with Billy and Savitri gives me such joy! They are kindred spirits, I could wish for no better place to be right now.
Well, that's enough out of me. Oh yeah and I'm an animal person. Two cats own me and I hope to have a dog to boss me around too.
Blessed Be!!!
You're either buying or you're tresspassing
And I have a suggestion for Kymm. Try networking through political activist groups. There are many groups starting up around the themes the Rev is preaching about. Make friends, help them, and you'll come across people who need what you have to offer. Do some stuff for free and build a portfolio. You're skills are needed. And if this is really what you want to do, don't give up, keep at it. If you need more contact me on facebook or at robertcoss.com
Do it!
I'm Torn!
Thanks
Jason
I'm Torn!
Thanks
Jason
Thank you Rev and crew!
I saw WWJB last night with a couple friends. We loved it. I have long since believed that Christmas is the worst holiday because of all the commercialism associated with it. I was most amazed that so many people were against the message, but I guess it's the same thing with smokers. They know it's bad, they understand it will kill them, and they still do it. Most people can not be saved, but I am trying. I have told my family members and friends that in lieu of gifts this year I would like them to make a small donation to a local rescue center for needy cats. I feel good about this choice and about the quest to spend less on useless crap to fill a void. I hate Disney too!!!!
This will be our Second Christmas of NO Shopping
Last yr at this time we came to realization that buying junk and going without to pay our bills was crazy. So we decided to teach our 16teen yr old a lesson in Responsibility and Love. We did not set a tree up and we did not exchange presents, we shared the day watching movies on line about Love and Togetherness. On Line because we gave up Cable TV 6yrs ago...We now only allow in what is a learning experience and not Commericals of Greed and Sexuality...That's how we came upon this website..Thru topdocumentaryfilms.com/what-would=jesus-buy (excellent site) for learning...
Well back to my story...All was wonderful until his friends starting bragging about
what they received for Christmas... he felt horrible and sad....But after several days he got over it and he's a better person because of it...This yr we are celebrating the day Baby Jesus was born...we will set a modest tree up and the day will be filled with how we can help others in the coming year.
In conclusion I see this as a blessing that my husband found your site and after my best friends death this past Monday I was feeling down and out. But Jesus gave me a beautiful gift this year...Many new friends....
Thank You
Tina Marie
Going into a New Career
I've been unemployed since last April and have been using this downtime to get myself educated at the local community college.
My intention is to go into web development. However, as I gain new skills I can't help but be concerned about finding myself in the cogs of the machine again. The IT industry is huge and varied. My hope is to be part of the solution, not the problem.
Does anyone out there have any ideas on how to avoid being ground up in the corporate machinery? Or maybe on how to work from the inside.
It is only my first semester. It will be a while before I am looking for real work. I'd love to get some imput on the subject.
Kymm
WWJB?
suggested themes and melodies
Who's the leader of them all who's made for you and me?M-I C K-E-Y A-U- D-I T Mickey AUDIT! Mickey AUDIT! Get it before they raise your taxes HIGH HIGH HIGH HI!Join our coalition, you're as wecome as can be! M-I-C See where the money goes! K-E-Y Why? Because YOU have the right to know! A-U-D-I-T!And for a (er,um) bonus my newspaper song ( suggestion at Times Post, or Voice offices(to the tune of 'Smoke Gets in your eyes' They asked me how I knew/ My news wasn't new/ Despite the pulitzer Prize/ When a lovely rag dies/ Crap* gets in your eyes.// News that I thought askew/ was'nt even true / Then I realized/ When a lovely rag dies/ Crap* gets in your eyes.// How I longed for wit to follow on/ through points that perplexed me!/ Though I strive to cut through all the jive/ The quest has only vexed me.// Sties porkers would eschew/ circumscribes your view/ Now you realize/ In a blizzard of lies/Crap* gets in your eyes. Consider them copylefted. As Cuck Olson used to say: 'There it is, gentlemen, FOR USE.
workers
Hello Y'all Intro
Vote-a-luia
Brother Gregory, CSS
Globalization
I know that one of the things that the Church of Stop Shopping rales against is Globalization. This was a show on NPR on the On Point program about the consequences of Globalization. It is really interesting. It begins with a guest talking about how Globalization hurts but it is also balanced by another guest who talks about how Globalization helps. Needless to say, I'm against Globalization, and i can think of several things i disagree with from the pro-globalization guest, but it is really good to see both sides of the issue. Obviously, that's the only way that you can intelligently debate a person of a differing opinion. It's an hour long, but I think it is definitely worth the listen if this is something that you are truly interested in.
http://www.onpointradio.org/stand-alone-player?fileUrl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww....
if that doesn't work, try
http://www.onpointradio.org/2009/06/14577
I'd love to hear what people think about this!
new forum
Good to be here
Brothers and sisters, today is Canada Day and we are trying to find some solace and entertainment in consuming all that is offered to us today. Long line up's for Beaver tails and fries that cost too much. Go check out your local block party instead! Your communties need you. And that is what we love about Canada, a sense of community..... leave your Iphone and cell phone home, and go meet some ppl. Local-Lujah!
New Member
My name is Andy Talen. I am a recent graduate from the University of Wisconsin in Madison, living in Wisconsin. I believe that you are my 2nd cousin. My father is Timothy Talen. I was basically unaware of your group until I stumbled across information about "What Would Jesus Buy" on the internet.
I just wanted to let you know you have family support for what you are doing (however minimal it may seem coming from me, hee hee)
I am a new member on your site, and I am looking forward to following your group!!
Sincerely,
Andy Talen
Songbook!
You All Inspire
After the service, my son and I had the pleasure of meeting and talking with Rev. Billy and Savitri D. They are wonderful people. Billy is brilliant and entertaining as he preaches, but is also just so genuinely nice. He allowed us to take a photo of him and my son together. It is a treasured photo. We got to speak with Savitri D and were impressed by her keen intellect and warmth. What a great team they are.
As for the rest of the congregation, I only know you through your recordings and internet clips, but your work is inspiring. Thank you.
Today, we were back at Franklin and Marshall for the Lancaster Pride Festival. I was with a group called Silent Witness who helps to protect the dignity of our friends. We serve as a barrier between our friends and those who spread hate and ignorance and say it is God's word. As I heard what they were saying, I asked in my thoughts, "Are you for real?"
Like Rev. Billy before, the answer was in plain sight, for everyone to see. You spread love and hope and caring and community. They spread hate, destruction, and isolation.
As we walked away from the street preachers, I hesitate to give them that credit, maybe street haters is more accurate. My son turned to me and said, "You know what Dad. I think I'll come back here with the street preachers and start spreading the word, but I am going to spread the word like Rev. Billy. That'll show 'em." I think it might be a while before we see Rev. Jack on the street. As a typical Dad, I think if he emulates Rev. Billy's hair, it will be a big improvement. I don't know. I just wanted to share that you all are having a bigger, broader impact than I think that you realize. It is great that so many of your efforts are in NYC, and we are following your lead and making efforts in our home communities. Still, your inspiration, Rev. Billy, Savitri D, the Choir, and the whole Church of Life after Shopping, is reaching across America, into small towns like ours in Pennsylvania, and having an impact.
Thank You!
Pat O'Keeffe
You Inspire Us!
Thank you for reaching out to us with your story, we will be marching in NYC Pride events this weekend and we'll think of you and your son in Lancaster, and we'll think of all the courageous souls in small towns across America who are speaking up for love and acceptance and community.
We would love to hear more from you and your work with Silent Witness on this site! Lots of love to your family and community! -Brother Michael
A slow Changellujah in politics
I recently had the pleasure of meeting Reverend Billy and members of the Choir in Birmingham (UK). Thank you immensely for your support in our Green Party candidature in the local elections here. Great news on the outcome too .. I beat both Labour Party candidates. Does that mean I beat the Government?? Are you jealous??
I dig what you do. Praise be. I hope to share your movie across our community.
I garden and enjoy local real-ale. Keep up the goodness. x
Hello!!
Long live the Church!
Bloombergization
What would Jesus buy for Christmas + the Stop Shopping UK Tour
I just got back from seeing the film "What would Jesus buy for Christmas" and I'm full of admiration for the dedication and perseverence of Lord Billy and his Choir. If you buy nothing else this week would encourage all to spend some of your hard earned cash on buying a ticket to see Billy's crusade! People lets go to work!
Thank you Rev Billy et.al!
Checking in on who owns what...
Excuse me!!!? If there's enough money to keep the company running because "its collapse would be catastrophic to the economy," there is enough money to make past errors in judgment - right. If this is to be a company owned in large part by we the taxpayers then it is in our hands to stop the culture of excuse-making in its tracks. Let's have a company that makes sure that its ethics are being properly attended to rather than one that believes that doing the wrong thing and getting away with it is the way to move forward.
Haven't we had enough of that?
Just my opinion.
Yes, yes I know this is more of a rant than an introduction. On the other hand this is what I'm about - so consider it my way of saying - hi.
Rev. Billy for Mayor of NYC
Intro
~Rachel
Welcome Rachel
Hello
... And I'm going to see him and the choir in a week!
Good luck with the campaign for Mayor.
Maybe it'll persuade people to oust the clown we have for a Mayor in London.
Love and best wishes to all,
Dave.
How to solve our Mortgage, Money and Banking problems
http://www.primeronmoney.com/howtosolve.html
This plan will create 4% mortgage banks which will work primarily for the public -- rather than the bank's stockholders.
Essentially -- local government will own the banks and the citizens will be acknowledged as owning the government.
Marty Carbone
martycarbone@yahoo.com
RE: "A forum is like a
Should I wax-poetic... or just spit it out and hope the potato chip crumbs don't spray along with my ideas.
Hi there !
I've been following the good Reverend and devoted chorus for a while.
Kinda here, there and everywhere... and I was re-amused the other
day when I accidentally found the "Fog Town" clip on You Tube.
Then I had a great... revelation !
Yes.. I remember now...
I saw that clip several years ago..in Manhattan...
either at the Roger Smith Hotel's lunchtime "Brown Bag" art talk...
or... was it a Friday night "Artists Talk on Art" ...
either way it was presented by California's own Ms. Molly Barnes...
and.. and.. my revelation is... Rev Billy is not a natural Blonde !!
Heavens to Clairol !
Does the carpet match the... uhhh.. floor.
Yes.. that's usually where I am in community bars... on the floor..
back to the devil and looking up for guidance.. or another round.
Bless you Reverend !
not much ado
once upon a time i was a pro musician and now i'm just another brain tumor discard, having been told "sorry" by neuro-surgeons, neuro-pshrinks and other neuro-tics. at times i could burst at the seams over the "dysfunctionality" of society and although i function perfectly well in some fundamental way, given my condition and intellectual decline, who am i to talk?
glad to be here and happy to share in anything relevant to survival of this species, but i'll warn that even with my brain all awry, i do "know" what the real problem is and am seemingly relentless. as the old promo button once indicated, "ask me ____".
get well, or be well, all!
Retired and Ready to Proselytize!
Your message resonates with my deepest passions - preserving the earth, building community through local economies, growing our own food, and boycotting the mega-corporations, to the extent we can.
I am also not in NYC and not sure I will ever meet the Rev and Choir in person. But I'm lucky to be part of a small Unitarian Universalist church that lives these same values. There may be UU's that are into shopping, but I haven't met them. The UU principles (we don't have a creed; people believe whatever works for them) include justice and equity worldwide; global peace; and preservation of the environment. It's great to have a supportive community with the same values.
I'm going to share your good news with my friends and check here for anti-consumerism booster shots and music!
Greetings from an Urban Homesteader
We held a showing and discussion with a local Universtity of "What Would Jesus Buy?" We promote local resources and try to help folks learn about alternatives to the Big Box places. We are planning something in July with maybe some workshops on how to make soaps, candy, candles, fresh cheese, home canned goods and other things that can have both purpose but meaning when made for someone. If people feel compelled to give over Christmas they have time to create an alternative.
We've been pretty active in the local anti-corporate movement for some time, protested FTAA in Miami, and the World Ag Forum a couple of times along with some other actions and demonstrations.
My partner and I have 2 acres in the city where we have several fruit trees, vegetable garden, bee hives, laying hens and adding milk goats in a couple of weeks. We barter eggs, honey, cheese and canned goods but we also live in a metro area of of about 2 million folks. .
In our community we are looking at helping people see how much those cheap shoes and clothes and toys at Target and Walmart really cost and who pays the price. But then we try to offer ideas and places locally where they can find alternatives, save the planet and their "souls". But more importantly start asking them to think about the needs versus the wants in life and then make smarter choices.
I'm looking forward to sharing some ideas and learning more about what others are doing around the globe.
in peace,
anna
Stop Shopping in the UK
Hallelujah
I hope my music podcast www.homegrownpodcast.co.uk may feature the good Rev Billy and the Choir in the future.
Amen.
Hey I'm Steven. I saw What
He's not scary at all in person
Bernays
Bernays. Brother Stephen posted about him with a link to an entire documentary about Bernays and the direct use of Freud's work in psychology in advertising. The post its towards the bottom of the topic.